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Re: Gathering TheFlock!
« Reply #45 on: May 27, 2008, 04:13:47 AM »
Hiya Birdy,
Are you having a good day? It must be morning there i think...so what are your plans?

It's been bloody awful here...p*s*i*g down all day, and howling like a team of werewolves...but i am being very brave and not putting the heating back on...are you impressed? I am.....

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« Reply #46 on: May 27, 2008, 01:15:37 PM »
Hi T,
It was a beautiful day here - up to 76 degrees this afternoon, and actually a little too warm in my apartment at 11 p.m.
I was up much too early - 4:15 a.m. - because I had to catch a bus at 5:30 to our local park to help with a bird-banding project.  We caught so few birds that we closed up early, around 9:30, and I went wandering around the park "harvesting" a bagful of pokeweed.  Since I was away for those 3 weeks, I was almost too late - it can only be used early in the spring when it first comes up.  But tomorrow is supposed to be a rainy day - probably a good time to prepare it for the freezer.  And also a good day to continue going through the photos of my trip.
Had dinner with the other half of TheFlock and other relatives tonight - the first chance we've had to get together since I came back.  She'll be traveling herself starting Thursday - we're a family with itchy feet, I guess!
How's the cold?  Hope the crummy weather doesn't bring it back!  If it gets too cold, maybe you could let the girls out of the shed - you could gather them round you for the heat.  But make sure you're in the center of the heap - that's where it's warmest.

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Re: Gathering TheFlock!
« Reply #47 on: May 27, 2008, 09:15:51 PM »
Since I'm simply too lazy to Google pokeweed, Birdy, can you tell me what's special about it ?

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« Reply #48 on: May 27, 2008, 10:46:52 PM »
It's a weed which is almost impossible to get rid of because 1) it has an extremely long tap root - if any bit of it is left in the ground it will grow again, 2) it produces masses of dark purple berries beloved of birds who in the process of elimination scatter the seed far and wide.  My mother fought it in her yard all my life, and the biggest plant there reached about 6 or 7 feet high and 12 or more feet wide.  It dies back in the fall.

It grows in southern U.S. at least as far north as New York but not into the far north.  In the south, it was often used as a "spring tonic" since it was available before most farmed crops.

HOWEVER, it has to be treated with CAUTION because it's POISONOUS unless prepared correctly - simmered in water, the water poured off, simmered again and the water poured off, and then simmered until cooked.  And it is seasonable because only the first short shoots of the spring can be used - the poisons (alkaloids, I think) get too concentrated after that.  (Makes you kind of wonder how many people died before they discovered how to cook it safely, doesn't it?  And why they kept trying?)

A southern friend told me about it and how to cook it close to 10 years ago, and I've been having it each spring ever since.  It really tastes good - sort of a combination of spinach and asparagus.

The only person I've ever persuaded to try it with me was Natalya - and she liked it.

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« Reply #49 on: May 27, 2008, 11:11:38 PM »
Having lived in the South for a bit, birdy, I have heard of poke salet/salad, but haven't tried it. Interesting. I'll google and try to find a photo, so I'll know what to look for.

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« Reply #50 on: May 27, 2008, 11:16:21 PM »
At allnature.com, I found exactly what you described:



Pokeweed
Phytolacca americana

Other Names: Poke Salet, American Pokeweed, Cancer-root, Cancer jalap, Inkberry, Pigeon Berry, Pocan, Poke, Poke Root, Pokeberry, Reujin D Ours, Sekerciboyaci, Skoke, Virginian Poke, Yoshu-Yama-Gobo, Yyamilin

Caution : Toxic when misused. For experienced herbalists only. Can cause intense vomiting and diarrhea.

Habitat
    Pokeweed is a common perennial native plant, found in Northern and Central N. America from the New England States to Minnesota and south to Florida and Texas, naturalized in Britain and other countries. Growing in damp rich soils in clearings, woodland margins and roadsides. Cultivation: Pokeweed is an easily grown plant, succeeding in most soils and full sun or partial shade. The stout erect stalk is tall, growing to 10 feet or more, smooth and branching, turning deep red or purple as the berries ripen and the plant matures. The root is conical, large and fleshy, covered with a thin brown bark. Leaves are about 5 inches long and 2 to 3 inches wide, simple, alternate, ovate-lanceolate, and smooth. The flowers which appear from July to September are long-stalked clusters and each has 5 whitish petals with green centers. The fruit is a rich deep purple round berry, containing a rich crimson juice. Gather young edible shoots in spring, the roots in fall, slice and dry for later use, and berries as they ripen.

Properties
    Pokeweed is edible (cooked) and medicinal. It has a long history of use by Native Americans and in alternative medicine. The young shoots are boiled in two changes of water and taste similar to asparagus, berries are cooked and the resulting liquid used to color canned fruits and vegetables. The root is alterative, anodyne, antiinflammatory, cathartic, expectorant, hypnotic, narcotic and purgative. It is used in the treatment of rheumatoid arthritis, tonsillitis, mumps, glandular fever and other complaints involving swollen glands, chronic catarrh, bronchitis and diseases related to a compromised immune system it has potential as an anti-AIDS drug. Some of the chemical constituents in the plant are triterpenoid saponins, lectins, antiviral proteins and many phytolaccagenic acids, which are not completely understood.

New research has revealed that a possible CURE for Childhood Leukemia called (B43-PAP) is found in the common Pokeweed. Anti-B43-pokeweed antiviral protein, B43-PAP, PAP is a pokeweed toxin. The B43 carries the weapon--the PAP--to the leukemia cells. It has been touted as a smart weapon. In one study 15 out of 18 children who had participated had attained remission. The following is part of a repot from Parker Hughes Institute: The two parts of this drug are the B43 antibody (or anti-CD19) and the pokeweed antiviral protein (PAP) immunotoxin, a natural product in the pokeweed plant. B43 is designed to recognize specific B-cell leukemia cells just as natural antibodies attack and recognize germs. When the antibody finds a leukemia cell, it attaches and B43 delivers the other part of the drug, PAP. Inside the cell, PAP is released by the antibody and inactivates the ribosomes that make the proteins the cell needs to survive. With the cell unable to produce proteins, the specific leukemia cell is killed. More than 100 patients have been treated with B43-PAP and shown only minimal side effects.

Caution is advised as the whole plant, but especially the berries, is poisonous raw, causing vomiting and diarrhea.

    A beautiful red ink and a dye are obtained from the fruit. The rootstock is rich in saponins and can be used as a soap substitute.
 

Folklore
   Some Native American tribes used Pokeweed as a Witchcraft Medicine, believing that it’s ability to totally purge the body by causing drastic diarrhea and vomiting would also expel bad spirits. Fruit was made into a red dye used in painting horses and various articles of adornment.


And, at another site:

Therapeutic Actions:

    * Alterative
    * Anti-inflammatory
    * Antiviral-inhibits the replication of influenza, HSV-1, URI viruses and poliovirus
    * Cathartic
    * Mitogentic for T-cells or for both T-cells and B-cells (lectins, glycoproteins, Pa-1 to Pa-5)
    * Stimulates B and T lymphocytes
    * Stimulates elimination from tissue
    * Stimulates production of interleukin 1 and tumor necrosis factor

Clinical Indications:

    * Cancer prevention
    * Endometriosis
    * Fibrocystic breast disease
    * Herpes simplex
    * Mastitis
    * Uterine fibroid
    * Influenza
    * Lymphadenopathy
    * Mumps
    * Parotitis
    * Pharyngitis
    * Tonsillitis
    * Upper respiratory infections

Contraindications:

    * Pregnancy

Drug/Nutrient Interaction:

    * Limited data

Chemical Constituents:

    * Alkaloid:
            Phytolaccine
    * Formic acid
    * Lectins, glycoproteins, Pa-1 to Pa-5
    * Phytolaccic acid
    * Resin
    * Saponin
    * Tannin
    * Vitamin K

Toxicity:

    * Limit use to short duration
    * Symptoms of long term use or overdose happen slowly and may be difficult to recognize
    * Symptoms include:
            Burning in mouth and stomach
            Decreased blood pressure
            GI disturbances
            Nausea , vomiting and diarrhea
            Slow heart and pulse
            If consumption is greater than 1/2 ounce of the berries or root or 10 berries in an infant, coma and death by respiratory paralysis

Copyright 1998 - 2007 by L. Vicky Crouse, ND and James S. Reiley, ND. All rights reserved (ISSN 1527-0661).

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Re: Gathering TheFlock!
« Reply #51 on: May 27, 2008, 11:59:43 PM »
One way to recognise it and distinguish it from similar leaves is that the pokeweed stalk is reddish at the base.  Yes - caution is necessary!  I hadn't realized that it was being investigated as a drug for childhood leukemia.

One reason for accidental poisoning is that people interpret Poke Salat as Poke Salad, and the eat it raw.  I read somewhere that salat is a cooking term referring to a stew or cooked greens, but don't know if I remember correctly.

There are recipes on the 'net - some considerably more complex than others.  I vaguely think I read that it is sold canned in Europe.  Most Americans seem reluctant to try it.

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« Reply #52 on: May 28, 2008, 08:27:18 AM »
It's good to see the researcher in you never dissipates threeb....
I'l give it a miss thanks....couldn't be bothered with all the prep...cooking a ton of spinach for one mouthful has the same effect on me...

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« Reply #53 on: May 28, 2008, 10:22:01 AM »
And who could forget Tony Joe White's 1969 hit, Poke Salad Annie -

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Down there we have a plant that grows out in the woods,
And in the field ... looks somethin like a turnip green,
And everybody calls it poke salad

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Every day 'fore suppertime, she'd go down by the truck patch,
And pick her a mess o' poke salad and carry it home in a tote sack,
Poke Salad Annie, The gators got your granny
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« Reply #54 on: May 28, 2008, 10:30:12 AM »
oh no, another classic I've never heard!  Could you hum a few bars, Alan?  I promise I'll turn my speakers on.

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« Reply #55 on: May 28, 2008, 10:48:08 AM »
Try clicking this link, birdy:

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=50:hnfpxvrhldde~T

Or if that doesn't work, try going here: http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:acfuxqq5ldae, and click on the speaker image next to track 1.

It seems that the song title is properly written "Polk Salad Annie".
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« Reply #56 on: May 28, 2008, 01:26:25 PM »
That is such a great southern delta rockabilly song!!! Wow -- loved it, Alan!

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« Reply #57 on: May 28, 2008, 09:16:58 PM »
Elvis used to sing it, I believe!!  >:D

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« Reply #58 on: May 29, 2008, 07:06:32 AM »
I'd need to be pretty desperate for calories to go to all that trouble. But then again, if it has an irresistible taste, why not? I'm a huge fan of asparagus, so I might be a convert.

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« Reply #59 on: May 29, 2008, 07:19:17 PM »
Oh GAGLE, you never cease to amaze me with the depth and breadth of your knowledge. Once again, I bow in awe !!!