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An interesting anomaly
« on: April 15, 2023, 08:01:51 AM »
In yesterday's Challenge puzzle, only 144 players got the common seed word (creosoted), but more than twice that number got the rare seed word (scootered).  Which begs the question; should creosoted be common?

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Re: An interesting anomaly
« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2023, 08:09:22 AM »
I found scootered before creosoted (as did my much better half). Her reaction to finding creosoted was 'it was an odd word'.

I have my doubts about creosoted being 'common'.

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Re: An interesting anomaly
« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2023, 10:34:26 AM »
Has nobody watched Monty Python and come across Mr Creosote?

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Re: An interesting anomaly
« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2023, 12:27:24 PM »
In yesterday's Challenge puzzle, only 144 players got the common seed word (creosoted), but more than twice that number got the rare seed word (scootered).  Which begs the question; should creosoted be common?

One I prepared earlier:

"Friday 14 April Challenge CREOSOTED puzzle
SCOOTERED – going by the number of people who have found scootered cf creosoted, there may be an argument made to make either scootered common or creosoted rare…"
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Re: An interesting anomaly
« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2023, 02:21:25 PM »
Is this really an anomaly? Scooter is surely a better known word than creosote. It was played by more than twice as many people in the puzzle the other day. Both words are more commonly used as nouns than verbs, but players might like to take a chance on adding a D to the end of either of them - if they think of the base word.

This "anomaly" (if that's what it is) was raised in January last year by ridethetalk when there was a puzzle with the same letters. I can readily accept that creosoted should not be classed as common. Creosoting is already rare. I feel creosote, the noun, is better known, and should remain as a common word in our lexicon.

However, should scootered become common, to justify the continuing possibility of a puzzle with those seed letters? When Chihuahua started, scootered was not even recognized as a word. This was queried in 2009 when a few players said they were surprised it was not accepted. I agreed to add the word, saying:

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Scooter as a verb meaning "travel by or ride on a scooter" is listed by a few dictionaries, including a number of the Oxford dictionaries.

Examples of scootered in use are not as plentiful as of scootering (which, of course, is too long to be of interest to us). However, there are some. For example a story on the contactmusic.com website in 2006 was headlined "TOM HANKS - HANKS SCOOTERED AROUND PARIS". And a New York Times article in 1993 said, "'Teddy Boys' slapped on a dollop of Murray's pommade (sic) and a lot more attitude as they scootered and slouched about." (Actually, I thought the scooter was more associated with the mods than the teddy boys.)

So I agree, T and others, that scootered could have been acceptable as a second 9-letter word, and I will add it to the list, though it might be a long time before the opportunity arises again.

This was way-y-y back, before 10-letter word puzzles. When I brought in the 10-letter option, I picked up the 10-letter words from the same source list (YAWL), so scootering missed out, and remains to this day a non-word in Chi. Obviously, this should be rectified - as I said in 2009, scootering is more frequently used than scootered. However, my inclination is to add scootering as a rare word, leave scootered as a rare word, and drop that set of letters as a puzzle seed. What do people think about that?
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Re: An interesting anomaly
« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2023, 02:55:00 PM »
Sounds fair to me...
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Re: An interesting anomaly
« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2023, 03:30:17 PM »
Whatever you decide is fine by me

Must admit I did love the creosote

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Re: An interesting anomaly
« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2023, 09:47:18 PM »
I have not heard or used creosote but I found the words. I did play SCOOTERED first however! I don’t think SCOOTERED should be common. SCOOTED yes, but not scootered. I think it’s fine to make CREOSOTED rare but really for consistency then CREOSOTE should be rare too.
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Re: An interesting anomaly
« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2023, 10:50:19 PM »
I agree with Alan's suggestion. Scooter and creosote to remain common and all other verb tenses of those words to be rare.

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Re: An interesting anomaly
« Reply #9 on: April 20, 2023, 01:38:01 AM »
I agree with Alan's suggestion. Scooter and creosote to remain common and all other verb tenses of those words to be rare.

I agree.

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Re: An interesting anomaly
« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2023, 09:16:59 AM »
Me too. The nouns seem much more common than their use as verbs.

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Re: An interesting anomaly
« Reply #11 on: April 20, 2023, 02:44:53 PM »
OK. That's what will happen. Scootering will be added as a rare word. Scootered will remain as a rare word. Creosoted will become rare, and will no longer be a puzzle seed word.

So we won't be seeing a 9-letter puzzle with those letters again, but they could crop up in a 7-by-many with common all-letter words escorted and corseted.
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