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mkenuk

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distal v statin
« on: December 28, 2019, 01:20:32 PM »
re the distantly standard game.

distal an anatomical / medical term meaning 'away from the centre of the body' (188 hits from 586 players) - common

statin a pharmaceutical / medical term for a drug which lowers cholesterol levels (219 hits from 586 players) - rare

Obviously, both words will be familiar to those with a medical background, but to me distal (and its antonym proximal) are what I call 'Chi words' - words that I have learned from playing Chi;
 I do know statin independently of Chi.

Anyone else think that statin should be common??

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Re: distal v statin
« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2019, 01:33:55 PM »
It would be interesting to know what percentage of the western population (global, even) would be taking statins daily for hypercholesteraemia. It would be significant, I fancy.

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« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2019, 01:34:14 PM »
It would be interesting to know what percentage of the western population (global, even) would be taking statins daily for hypercholesteraemia. It would be significant, I fancy.

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« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2019, 01:58:27 PM »
I don't think either should be common
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« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2019, 02:09:34 PM »
Common to me.  But perhaps because I've been taking statins for 30 years.  I am also familiar with distal.
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« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2019, 04:22:51 PM »
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It would be interesting to know what percentage of the western population (global, even) would be taking statins daily for hypercholesteraemia. It would be significant, I fancy.

(USA data)Over 40% of adults 75 and older are taking statins, yet there is little evidence to guide primary prevention in this population.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4476404/

I was on a statin trial with Monash University but stopped due to muscle pain. After 3 months I had difficulty walking up the front steps instead of my usual 2 steps at a time. I stopped taking them and it took over 3 months to get back to normal.

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Re: distal v statin
« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2019, 08:30:56 PM »
STATIN..should be common

I played DISTAL, jury is still out on that one
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Re: distal v statin
« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2019, 12:11:16 PM »
It would be interesting to know what percentage of the western population (global, even) would be taking statins daily for hypercholesteraemia. It would be significant, I fancy.

Here in the UK it's pretty much ubiquitous among the over 50s. Anyone who has had heart surgery, or is being treated for the early signs of atherosclerosis, is pretty much guaranteed to be prescribed a statin here. Atorvastatin is probably one of the most prescribed drugs on the planet right now, especially as the patent has expired and it's now available virtually by the tanker load in generic form.
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« Reply #8 on: January 01, 2020, 01:59:07 PM »
I've seen the words distal and proximal but admit I wasn't sure of the meaning.

Being of a certain age, however, my friends and I are very familiar with the word statin, and it does come up in conversation - often in the context of how we miss being able to eat grapefruit or drink grapefruit juice.

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« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2020, 06:16:01 PM »
I've seen the words distal and proximal but admit I wasn't sure of the meaning.

Distal is frequently defined as "most distant from the point of attachment to the body" with respect to limb locations, etc.

Being of a certain age, however, my friends and I are very familiar with the word statin, and it does come up in conversation - often in the context of how we miss being able to eat grapefruit or drink grapefruit juice.

The reason for this is actually quite interesting, and centres upon an enzyme in the liver known as Cytochrome P450 3A4 (known as CYP3A4 for short). This enzyme is one of the "clearance enzymes" responsible for metabolising assorted toxic substances, and converting them into less dangerous (and more easily excretable) products. Grapefruit juice contains compounds that inhibit CYP3A4, and as a corollary, this can result in a wide range of unexpected side effects when taking certain drugs. In the case of those drugs that are broken down by CYP3A4 liver activity, grapefruit juice affects the clearance of these drugs, and allows them to persist in the bloodstream for longer.

A particularly striking example of the activity involved, centres upon the antihistamine Terfenadine. Inhibition of CYP3A4 by grapefruit juice led to the drug remaining in the bloodstream at elevated concentrations long enough to trigger fatal ventricular tachycardia. While investigating this, scientists found that Terfenadine was actually converted to a different compound, Fenoxfenadine, by the CYP3A4 enzyme, and it was actually this compound that was exhibiting the antihistamine effect. Switching from Terfenadine to Fenoxfenadine directly allowed the antihistamine benefits of the medication to continue, but without the potentially lethal cardiac issues surrounding Terfenadine, which arise from the fact that it acts as a potassium channel blocker in sufficient doses, the source of its cardiotoxicity issues.

So, back to statins. If this class of drugs are not properly metabolised by the CYP3A4 enzyme in the liver, then their persistence in the bloodstream at elevated doses could have serious effects. It's not merely grapefruit juice that can set off this chain of events, but certain antibiotics too, such as Clarithromycin, which is why, if you're taking statins, it's a good idea to remind your doctor of this if you need antibiotic treatment for various infections, and sometimes, you'll be strongly advised to suspend taking the statins while taking the antibiotics. The reason for this being that persistent, elevated statin levels beyond a certain threshold, carry with them a quantifiable risk of triggering an uncommon but very nasty condition called rhabdomyolysis, which accounts for the strict control of statin dosage when prescribed. In short, elevated statin interference with muscle metabolism can result in the release of reactive oxygen species in the muscle tissue, leading to cell death and the release of myoglobin into the bloodstream, where it quickly starts compromising renal function. In short, if you're taking statins, and you see your pee discoloured a brown colour, get to a hospital fast - that brown colour is the myoglobin arising from incipient rhabdomyolysis. Failure to act quickly will see a lurid cascade begin, which starts with progressive renal failure and ultimately leads to large scale metabolic collapse. NOT a pleasant way to go.

I spend too much of my time in the company of medical personnel. :D

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« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2020, 09:58:19 AM »
Thanks, Calilasseia, that was interesting. Not that I'll remember all the particulars, but I will remember antihistamines/tachycardia (even though I observe advice to avoid grapefruit) and brown pee leading to renal failure. Baby steps...

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Re: distal v statin
« Reply #11 on: December 24, 2020, 02:52:13 PM »
As noted, the opposite of distal is proximal, but the latter word is classed as rare in Chi.

(And this despite the fact that proximal has an additional meaning: "situated close to : proximate", according to Merriam-Webster. An example of this sense, from Fortune magazine in 2017: "Connection to another being -- be it physical, emotional, or merely proximal -- is associated with longer survival." However the word is very rarely used in this way.)

The usage frequency of distal and proximal is similar, and very small outside of scientific publications. The classification of these two words should be the same, and I'm pretty sure it should be rare.

Distally is a word that's even less frequently used, but it's currently classed as common. I'll make it rare too.

The suggestion that was actually made was that statin should be changed to common. I'm still in two minds about that. The evidence certainly shows increasing frequency of use of the word in newspapers and other non-specialist publications. But, as some have noted in the discussions of this word over the years, the word is mainly familiar to those of us in the older age groups. Players younger than 50 or 60 are less likely to know the word.
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