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Re: More or Les (was Bloody Plurals)
« Reply #645 on: April 20, 2018, 06:20:36 PM »
Don’t forget Michael Bentine!

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« Reply #646 on: April 20, 2018, 06:34:27 PM »
Les and Ozzyjack: on classic British humour, what did you think of Fawlty Towers? People seem to love it or hate it. When it first came out I found it too embarrassing to watch; twenty years on I enjoyed it - particularly The Kipper and the Corpse.

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« Reply #647 on: April 20, 2018, 08:10:09 PM »
Absolutely loved Faulty Towers, just a shame that they did not make more episodes.

Australian & British humour is very different however I think that there is a common thread there, because we are both prepared " to take the mickey out of ourselves ".

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« Reply #648 on: April 20, 2018, 08:58:25 PM »
Don’t forget Michael Bentine!

I had to goggle Bentine to discover that it was in fact he & Milligan that actually established the goons.

So why is it that his name is rarely mentioned,  how come I have never heard of Michael Bentine, was he an original goon & if so why did he leave & why has he not gone on to achieve the same sort of fame as the other three ?

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« Reply #649 on: April 20, 2018, 10:42:58 PM »
Originally, there were four 'goons' - Michael Bentine, Spike Milligan, Harry Secombe and Peter Sellers.

Michael Bentine dropped out of the group after a couple of years to concentrate on other things, including television.

I can remember two of his TV shows - Potty Time, which was a kids' show and It's a Square World which was one of the first BBC programmes to feature slightly surreal humour. One sketch that sticks in my my mind (sixty years later) concerned an expedition to find the source of the River Thames.
After days / weeks of forcing their way through perilous jungle, the explorers come across a standpipe which somebody has left running. Automatically, one of them turns it off and, instantly, the Thames dries up.

It was that kind of humour.

Square World was very popular, and was undoubtedly a major  influence on later comedians such as Monty Python and The Goodies,  but unfortunately very little of it survives.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Bentine





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Re: More or Les (was Bloody Plurals)
« Reply #650 on: April 20, 2018, 11:29:20 PM »
Les and Ozzyjack: on classic British humour, what did you think of Fawlty Towers? People seem to love it or hate it. When it first came out I found it too embarrassing to watch; twenty years on I enjoyed it - particularly The Kipper and the Corpse.

I had a similar history as you.  When I first watched the series I thought most of it was funny but enough of it was cringe worthy that I had mixed feelings about it.  The second time I watched it about 5 years later, I laughed at the cringe worthy bits as well.  The third time I watched it, about 20 years ago, I became a real fan.  

Cleese was, is, a genius.   He made a number of short training films that I used in management training courses in the 90's to great effect.  These seem to have been overlooked in the biographies I read.

In a list drawn up by the British Film Institute in 2000, voted by industry professionals, Fawlty Towers was named the best British television series of all time.  Not bad for a series of only 12 episodes.
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« Reply #651 on: April 20, 2018, 11:46:59 PM »
There are a few bits of the Wikipedia article that Mike posted that are worth underlining.

When he regained consciousness his eyesight was ruined, leaving him myopic for the rest of his life. Since he was no longer physically qualified for flying, he was transferred to RAF Intelligence and seconded to MI9, a unit that was dedicated to supporting resistance movements and helping prisoners escape.
 
At the end of the war, he took part in the liberation of Bergen-Belsen concentration camp.

In 1951 Bentine was invited to the United States to appear on The Ed Sullivan Show. On his return he parted amicably from his partners, remaining close to Secombe and Sellers for the rest of his life.

In 1972, Secombe and Sellers told Michael Parkinson that Bentine was "always calling everyone a genius" and, since he was the only one of the four with a "proper education", they always believed him.

Bentine was a crack pistol shot and helped to start the idea of a counter-terrorist wing within 22 SAS Regiment.

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Re: More or Les (was Bloody Plurals)
« Reply #652 on: April 21, 2018, 07:28:29 AM »
In a list drawn up by the British Film Institute in 2000, voted by industry professionals, Fawlty Towers was named the best British television series of all time.

IMNSHO, the best British television series pf all time (with a many more episodes): Doctor Who — which has had far more social impact than Fawlty Towers.

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« Reply #653 on: April 21, 2018, 10:40:30 AM »
IMNSHO, the best British television series pf all time (with a many more episodes): Doctor Who — which has had far more social impact than Fawlty Towers.

I'll have to take your word for it, TRex.   I think the last Doctor Who I watched right through was in black and white.  This is not a criticism of the particular program.  It is just that in general I am not a fan of Science Fiction .  I am in a minority even in my own family.  Still,  different strokes for different folks.
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« Reply #654 on: April 21, 2018, 03:32:20 PM »
While we are about vintage British humour, I am reviewing a number of skits on YouTube to remember which my favourites were.

I think I’ve bit off more than I can chew.  There are just too many great skits to consider.

My clearest memory was the Cleese, Barker, Corbett skit on the English class which I found
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tXBC-71aZs  

And then found that it had been adapted in a later version with Stephen Fry replacing John Cleese
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JSahEDRjvw

If I find an absolute standout (also IMNSHO) I will post it.  One I would have suggested was introduced last year in Pat's Post .
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Re: More or Les (was Bloody Plurals)
« Reply #655 on: April 22, 2018, 04:46:07 AM »
Pen,

I’ve been quite s t r e t c h e d but I’ve finally got my hands free from the rack, so I can reach the keyboard.

Blimey Jack I only missed one night & the thread has galloped along :laugh: Went out for dinner with a friend & we were yakking til very late!
I loved the goons & Michael Bentine.  I was very young when It's a Square World was on but I do remember the fleas.
If you want something to really tickle you, look up Eric Morecambe playing Grieg's piano concerto conducted by Mr Andrew Preview.  I have watched it umpteen times & it still makes me laugh. Also the stripper while they're making breakfast. Eric & Ernie were brilliant until they left the BBC. I might try & post a link but the last time I did that I failed miserably :(
A very funny lady was Victoria Wood.  Great stand up & also wrote some fantastic sketch shows & a very funny sitcom Dinnerladies. Sadly no longer with us.
I wont ask what or who has been stretching you...but glad you're free to post!
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« Reply #656 on: April 22, 2018, 04:54:56 AM »
Sorry Jack I forgot to mention The Two Ronnies "Four Candles" sketch.  Another gem :laugh:
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Re: More or Les (was Bloody Plurals)
« Reply #657 on: April 22, 2018, 05:45:25 AM »
I wont ask what or who has been stretching you.

It was a weak joke about being on the inquisition rack.

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A very funny lady was Victoria Wood.  

I watched every episode of the Dinner Ladies. I was addicted
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I forgot to mention The Two Ronnies "Four Candles" sketch.

The link to it is in my last post below.  Pat posted it early last year.  


I will review the Victoria Woods stuff.  The Morecambe and Wise links for the skits you mentioned are

M&W with Andre Previn

M&W "the Stripper"

both deserve a place in the shortlist

I’ve also included a Dave Allen sketch where he has a go at Australians.  Shameful. :D

Dave Allen bagging Australians

I hope you didn't get a hangover from your late night  ;D
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Re: More or Les (was Bloody Plurals)
« Reply #658 on: April 22, 2018, 02:57:08 PM »
I wont ask what or who has been stretching you.


Pen, It wasn’t until I was reading the Sydney Morning Herald over lunch and laughed at Peter FitzSimons' Joke of the Week, that it occurred to me that there was the possibility, just the slightest possibility, that I might not have fully comprehended the implication of your statement.  Here is the Joke:

Two 98-year-old Diggers, on the way back from their Anzac Day reunion, are sitting on the platform at Wynyard {a Sydney Railway Station}, waiting for the train when a drop-dead-gorgeous young woman walks by. In her early 20s, she is wearing a miniskirt, a sheer blouse, all the better to display her fine figure, and d a beautiful face that could have been drawn by Botticelli.

As she passes the two old Diggers, she gives them a playful wink. Neither of them speaks for a good minute.

Finally, the marginally older of the two Diggers says to the younger one, “You remember that stuff they used to put into our cocoa at Tobruk to diminish our sexual desires?”

“Yup, I remember,” replies the second Digger.

“Well, I think it may have just started to kick in.”


Well, back to YouTube.
Cheers, Jack


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Re: More or Les (was Bloody Plurals)
« Reply #659 on: April 22, 2018, 04:04:10 PM »
Originally, there were four 'goons' - Michael Bentine, Spike Milligan, Harry Secombe and Peter Sellers.

Michael Bentine dropped out of the group after a couple of years to concentrate on other things, including television.

I can remember two of his TV shows - Potty Time, which was a kids' show and It's a Square World which was one of the first BBC programmes to feature slightly surreal humour. One sketch that sticks in my my mind (sixty years later) concerned an expedition to find the source of the River Thames.
After days / weeks of forcing their way through perilous jungle, the explorers come across a standpipe which somebody has left running. Automatically, one of them turns it off and, instantly, the Thames dries up.

It was that kind of humour.

Square World was very popular, and was undoubtedly a major  influence on later comedians such as Monty Python and The Goodies,  but unfortunately very little of it survives.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Bentine

Thanks Mike, for that very informative link, what a fascinating man he was, just a shame that he was a bit before my time.
Not to concerned that I missed " Potty Time " though it sounds like I would have enjoyed " It's a square world "






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