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Re: More or Les (was Bloody Plurals)
« Reply #510 on: March 15, 2018, 09:02:27 PM »
FGM is a crime. End of conversation.
There is no medical justification for it, nor is there any religious requirement, in Judaism, Christianity or Islam.

Correct. It’s an utterly unacceptably vile thing to do.

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You may have read in the news that UK is currently negotiating with Saudi Arabia a multi-billion deal for the sale of Typhoon Eurofighters.

Saudi Arabia is one of the leading practitioners of FGM. 

Theresa May, for all the fine words she may have uttered about FGM, really doesn’t care. I once watched a documentary about a charity devoted to stopping the horrendous practice. This was while Theresa May was Home Secretary. The charity representatives had asked for an audience with May but got no reply so they went to one of her surgeries (for people outside the UK, MPs have one-to-one sessions with their constituents, which are known as surgeries for some reason). She was informed that they were there but refused to see them, then at the end of the day she left by the back exit so as not to encounter them. Not the actions of a woman who genuinely cares about the problem.

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« Reply #511 on: March 15, 2018, 09:26:52 PM »

 the word that i am questioning is " indie " fromWednesday's standard game.
It came up as a common word with the definition of an independant publisher.
I feel that this particular abbreviation should be reclassified as rare.


Les, I think the word indie is more often used, especially by young people, for indie music, especially rock music by artistes who are not tied to one of the major record labels.

It's also used in the same way of Independent film-makers, ie those that are not tied to one of the Hollywood moguls.

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« Reply #512 on: March 15, 2018, 09:41:25 PM »
Thanks for that explanation Mike but I do maintain that this particular abbreviation is not commonly known.
No doubt, our friends in America & England will offer an opinion.

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« Reply #513 on: March 15, 2018, 10:46:04 PM »
Very common over here.  I love a bit of indie music.  >:D

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« Reply #514 on: March 16, 2018, 12:07:23 AM »
Pat re FGM and Teresa May: thank you, Pat. I didn't know about her refusal to meet with the charity, and find that really weird. It isn't as if there are pros and cons to it.

Though I saw that in 1993 some London Borough Council had a debate about whether it should be offered on the NHS to those of African backgrounds, and a woman councillor who opposed it was threatened with mutilation herself.

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« Reply #515 on: March 16, 2018, 12:25:16 AM »
It's illegal in UK and has been since the 1980s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_mutilation_in_the_United_Kingdom

Any doctor using NHS facilities to carry out this barbaric practice would  risk criminal proceedings and action from the GMC.

Unfortunately, as with abortionists in earlier times, this has led to a growth in backstreet clinics, where standards of hygiene may be less than adequate.



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« Reply #516 on: March 16, 2018, 05:07:53 AM »
UK FGM illegal 1985 - I didn't know. Rhetorically: so what the heck were Brent doing even debating the motion in 1993? It can't have been anything to do with taking the girls abroad to have it done (still legal until 2003) because of the mention of using the NHS. Bonkers.

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« Reply #517 on: March 16, 2018, 05:37:05 AM »
When I get time I'll discuss the difference between assimilation, integration and Multiculturalism.

Let's just say the attached cartoon doesn't describe integration, multiculturalism or real tolerance.

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« Reply #518 on: March 16, 2018, 09:36:20 AM »
I hate having a conversation with somebody who is dressed from head to toe in black & all I can see is their eyes.

Here's some history. Fourth century Christian theologians developed the concept of person from πρόσωπον (adopted by Latin as persōna) which originally meant 'mask' as worn by actors and had already taken on the meaning of 'face'. Before then, individuals were seen as instantiations of the Ideal, but not as fully complete in and of themselves. This developed into a theology which says I look on your face and recognise you as a person, not an abstraction and not an object. And although it may be possible to recognise some people by their build or gait, we humans typically recognise others by their face.

When one can only see eyes and not the face, it isn't possible to recognise a human person. Heck, I don't know how one could recognise the human you talked with yesterday is the same one today if all one can see is the eyes.

I think such attire literally de-personalizes the wearer.

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« Reply #519 on: March 16, 2018, 09:46:41 AM »
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Hobbit - only eyes visible: I agree with you and find it disturbing, too - although I haven't yet sorted out in my head the clash with how far we would allow personal choice of clothing of a less sinister type.

I find it strange those who wish to ban the hijab (hair covered with only face showing) when I can remember nuns dressed like that.

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« Reply #520 on: March 16, 2018, 09:56:25 AM »
I find it strange those who wish to ban the hijab (hair covered with only face showing) when I can remember nuns dressed like that.

I agree.

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« Reply #521 on: March 16, 2018, 10:22:05 AM »
It's not just Middle-eastern ladies, of course, who prefer to keep their faces covered in public!

Now this is scary

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« Reply #522 on: March 16, 2018, 11:48:59 AM »
The second picture was apparently staged, featuring a Trump impersonator - https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-kkk-cross-burning/
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« Reply #523 on: March 16, 2018, 12:10:23 PM »
I wondered about that;
You're probably right, Alan.
It's the first one that is scary, though. The Nazi salute. You can almost feel the hatred in the eyes.

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« Reply #524 on: March 16, 2018, 03:21:14 PM »
The KKK outfits and the Spanish Holy Week processions seem to be too close to be coincidental.



Does anyone know if there is, or what is the connection?