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spoiler alert, challenge puzzle 3 Mar 2013
« on: March 04, 2013, 01:55:31 PM »
Why is the word "dative" considered uncommon?

In my opinion, this game is designed by and for people with a love of language.  In these circles, the word "dative" is not uncommon.
Carpe digitus.
(Roughly translated, this is possibly the world's oldest "pull my finger" joke)

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Re: spoiler alert, challenge puzzle 3 Mar 2013
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2013, 04:43:15 PM »
I remember the word, but had kind of forgotten the meaning.  I'm pretty sure I learned it in my junior/senior high school English classes, as well as in Latin and later in Old English.

But I'm not really sure they teach that kind of grammar in schools any more, especially when I hear the terrible grammar most of the younger generation seem to use.

     (signed, Elderly Curmudgeon)

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Re: spoiler alert, challenge puzzle 3 Mar 2013
« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2013, 06:52:35 PM »
Dear Elderly Curmudgeon, you make me laugh.  Coincidentally, this equally elderly curmudgeon was sent the following in an email the other day which I hope you don't mind me sharing with you.

WE WAS BRUNG UP PROPER!

CONGRATULATIONS TO ALL MY FRIENDS AND FAMILY WHO WERE BORN IN THE 1920s, 30s, 40s, 50s and 60s

First, we survived being born to mothers who might have smoked and/or drank Sherry while they carried us and lived in houses made of asbestos...

They took aspirin, ate blue cheese, bread and dripping, raw egg products, loads of bacon and processed meat, tuna from a can, and didn't get tested for diabetes or cervical cancer.

Then after that trauma, our baby cots were covered with bright coloured lead-based paints.

We had no childproof lids on medicine bottles, doors or cabinets and when we rode our bikes, we had no helmets or shoes, not to mention, the risks we took hitchhiking.

As children, we would ride in cars with no seat belts or air bags.

We drank water from the garden hose and NOT from a bottle.

Take away food was limited to fish and chips, no pizza shops, McDonalds, KFC, Subway or Nandos.

Even though all the shops closed at 5.00pm and didn't open on a Sunday, somehow we didn't starve to death!

We shared one soft drink with four friends, from one bottle and NO ONE actually died from this.

We could collect old drink bottles and cash them in at the corner store and buy Toffees, Gobstoppers and Bubble Gum.

We ate cupcakes, white bread and real butter, milk from the cow,and drank soft drinks with sugar in it, but we weren't overweight because......WE WERE ALWAYS OUTSIDE PLAYING!!

We would leave home in the morning and play all day, as long as we were back when the streetlights came on.

No one was able to reach us all day. And we were okay.

We would spend hours building our go-carts out of old prams and then ride down the hill, only to find out we forgot the brakes. We built tree houses and dens and played in river beds with matchbox cars.

We did not have Playstations, Nintendo Wii , X-boxes, no video games at all, no 999 channels on SKY, no video/dvd films, or colour TV, no mobile phones, no personal computers, no Internet or Internet chat rooms..........WE HAD FRIENDS and we went outside and found them!

We fell out of trees, got cut, broke bones and teeth and there were no law suits from these accidents.

Only girls had pierced ears!

We ate worms and mud pies made from dirt, and the worms did not live in us forever.

You could only buy Easter Eggs and Hot Cross Buns at Easter time.

We were given air guns and catapults for our 10th birthdays.

We rode bikes or walked to a friend's house and knocked on the door or rang the bell, or just yelled for them!

Mum didn't have to go to work to help dad make ends meet because we didn't need to keep up with the Jones's!

Not everyone made the rugby/football/cricket/netball team. Those who didn't had to learn to deal with disappointment. Imagine that!! Getting into the team was based on MERIT

Our teachers used to hit us with canes and throw the blackboard rubber at us if they thought we weren't concentrating.

We can string sentences together and spell and have proper conversations because of a good, solid three R's education.

Our parents would tell us to ask a stranger to help us cross the road.

The idea of a parent bailing us out if we broke the law was unheard of.  They actually sided with the law!

Our parents didn't invent stupid names for their kids like 'Kiora' and 'Blade' and 'Ridge' and 'Vanilla'

We had freedom, failure, success and responsibility, and we learned HOW TO DEAL WITH IT ALL !

And YOU are one of them! CONGRATULATIONS!
You may wish to share this with others who have been fortunate to grow up as kids, before the lawyers and the government regulated our lives for our own good.  And while you're at it, forward it to your kids so they will know how brave their parents were.



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Re: spoiler alert, challenge puzzle 3 Mar 2013
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2013, 07:00:35 PM »
'Dative' is one of the six noun cases in Latin grammar - one of the noun's inflected forms. It's the one which is used for the indirect object, I seem to remember.
 For a basic lesson in Latin grammar it's 'Life of Brian' again and John Cleese as the centurion explaining in good schoolmasterly fashion why 'Romani eunt domus' doesn't mean 'Romans go home'

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Re: spoiler alert, challenge puzzle 3 Mar 2013
« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2013, 04:51:50 AM »
Valerie's email (a variant of which we've all seen dozens of times I'm sure) is meant as a joke, but not a very clever one, and to me a rather offensive one, because there's a smug undercurrent of conservative righteousness in its tone: we're better than you; the people who fought to make this world safer are just nervous Nancies who want "big government" to coddle them; etc.  All false, and rather dangerous ideas because it implies that there's no reason for the way the world works now except for how scared we all are.  This is nonsense.

Yes, people ate white bread and bacon and so forth -- and died earlier of heart attacks, depriving kids of fathers and mothers at far too young an age.  (Ah, the nostalgia!)  I say thank you to the strides we've made in nutrition knowledge and how we can stay healthier longer.

Yes, we didn't wear seatbelts or car seats -- and children and babies died in horrific ways in car crashes.  (Savor the good times!)  Cars are orders of magnitude safer now then they were back then, thanks to the diligent uphill battles safety advocates fought against complacent car companies.

I don't mean to condemn Valerie or her sense of humor, because a lighthearted look at the past is always fun (I for one do miss the going outside to play and the days before "stranger danger"), but I think some people can get the wrong idea from that sort of distorted information.

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Re: spoiler alert, challenge puzzle 3 Mar 2013
« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2013, 03:02:45 PM »
... and to me a rather offensive one, because there's a smug undercurrent of conservative righteousness in its tone ...
So, Enisform, tell us how you really feel ...

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Re: spoiler alert, challenge puzzle 3 Mar 2013
« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2013, 03:08:13 PM »
I have to agree with Ensiform - there never was a 'golden age' where 'God's in His Heaven, all's right with the world.' The 40s? Forget it - the 40s gave us Auschwitz and Hiroshima.
No golden age, only nostalgia.
What is sure is that since the end of World War II there has been a gradual decline in traditional family and religious ties, and a commensurate rise in materialism. Madonna, of all people, summarised it in one of her early songs : 'We are living in a material world, And I am a material girl.' If ever there was an anthem for our times, that was it.
The reasons for people's nostalgia are not hard to find: we've been let down by our politicians, who have taken us into unjustified wars that we don't want (I don't mean only the USA, by the way - UK has been just as bad).
Bankers and financiers with their Gordon Gecko 'greed is good' values have destroyed the world's economy, creating poverty where there was none before.
Finally, hypocritical churchmen who fail to live up to the standards that they preach have destroyed many people's faith in religion.

Pessimist? I'd rather not be, but there are times when I'm glad that I won't be around in fifty years' time

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Re: spoiler alert, challenge puzzle 3 Mar 2013
« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2013, 08:00:27 PM »
Love it, Valerie.

 ;D

If I ever get to the stage where I can't find harmless jokes amusing, take me out and shoot me.


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Re: spoiler alert, challenge puzzle 3 Mar 2013
« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2013, 12:02:06 PM »
Love it, Valerie.

 ;D

If I ever get to the stage where I can't find harmless jokes amusing, take me out and shoot me.

The 'harmless' part is where we disagree, as I noted.  Whitewashing history is a way to dictate the present.

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Re: spoiler alert, challenge puzzle 3 Mar 2013
« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2013, 08:18:56 PM »
For some reason we seem to disagree on most things, ensiform.

Given the truly offensive atrocities that take place on this planet I found it bizarre that anyone could find a very mild tongue-in-cheek comparison between current times and the old days 'rather offensive'.
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Re: spoiler alert, challenge puzzle 3 Mar 2013
« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2013, 12:47:05 PM »
That's because I'm a bad-tempered old grouch!   :P

Yes, obviously there are degrees of horror and things to be concerned about.  But the political climate in America is so polarized and so full of vitriol that it is indeed dangerous.  I knock against anything that continues to badmouth and mis-characterize the good intentions of others, even if they're not in your particular political club.