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"someplace" - Challenge, 29 September 2012
« on: September 30, 2012, 01:22:12 PM »
Is "someplace" really one word? The OED online lists it as "dial and U.S.". Of the 14 quotations given 8 are as two words, one is hyphernated and five are one word. Of the five single word usages four appear to be US and one is British (a Liverpudlian poet - dialect?).  Chambers does not know it as a single word. Websters does, and I suspect that it may be common in everyday usage in the States, but here in Australia it is litle known and little used. Others will perhaps comment about the frequency of usage elsewhere.

I didn't get it  :-[, but I'm not beefing about that (it's not such a "rare" occurrence!). My point in posting is just to raise for discussion the appropriateness of using as the "common" nine letter word a word/phrase of such dubious provenance. US players probably have no problem with it, but in many other parts of the world where Chi is played, "someplace" would be considered "rare" at best. What do others think?

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Re: "someplace" - Challenge, 29 September 2012
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2012, 03:48:59 PM »
I'm not sure, drs.  I got it (eventually!!) but checked Oxford online first, saw it listed as "an informal alternative to somewhere" and played it expecting it to be rare and was pleasantly surprised.  It will be interesting to see other opinions.

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Re: "someplace" - Challenge, 29 September 2012
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2012, 05:57:54 PM »
You're right, drs. Someplace is used rarely outside North America, and so should not be classed as a common word.

As a term meaning more or less the same as somewhere, it is sometimes written as two words, and sometimes as one. It seems it was always two words originally, but the one-word form has come to predominate. The phrase some place can always be used to mean "some location", in which case it is standard English everywhere. For example, "We might say in a modern home there should be some place where you can sit down and practice calming yourself..."

Someplace as a single word seems to have originated late in the 19th century. The Corpus of Historical American English has no examples before 1900, with usage building gradually during the 20th century, to peak in the 1970s. Its frequency in American usage seems to have been tapering off a little in recent years.

English usage guides published in the US seem to be divided in their opinion about whether someplace is appropriate in formal writing. Merriam Webster's Dictionary of English Usage considers it has "been common in general and even academic writing since at leat the 1940s".

Someplace appears about 3000 times in the Corpus of Contemporary American English, compared to somewhere with about 27,000 occurrences. So it is certainly not a rare word in the US. Out of interest, I checked in another corpus that has recently become available, the Corpus of American Soap Operas. Someplace seems to be more popular in this genre: the someplace / somewhere ratio is about 1 to 4.

However, in the British National Corpus, someplace appears only 18 times, and many of these are in dialogue in fiction, where the speaker may be meant to be American.

I found a few examples in the index of the Australian Fairfax newspapers, but quite a lot of them were in technology articles, where the writers might lean toward American idioms. One example from an experienced Australian journalist was in a 2010 article by Jo Chandler about the politician Bob Katter: "Finally he's reminded that he needs to be someplace else."

I will switch both someplace and anyplace to rare words. Noplace and everyplace are already labeled as rare.

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Re: "someplace" - Challenge, 29 September 2012
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2012, 06:00:42 PM »
I got it and wasn't particularly surprised it was classed as common, even though it is an Americanism.  I'm Australian and it's a familiar word to me (through American literature, film, TV and other media) though it's not a word we in Australia use ourselves very much.

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Re: "someplace" - Challenge, 29 September 2012
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2012, 06:28:35 PM »
Thanks for the swift - and, as always, interesting - reply, Alan.

David