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munge/munged
« on: July 22, 2011, 02:37:56 PM »
No love for techies and their argot? I think munge, munged, and munging should be allowed words. (I was disappointed  :(  :'(  that both munge and munged were rejected; the letters were there and they used the required letter.)

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Re: munge/munged
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2011, 01:33:50 AM »
I didn't know the term, but when I googled it, I see that it's used a lot, as is the form munging.  So I'd support it, but not as a common word.

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« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2011, 04:15:09 AM »
I wasn't even thinking about it as a common word. I think we already have too many specialised terms classified as 'common' -- especially types of fish and chemistry terms.

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« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2011, 06:48:03 AM »
I think the fish have mostly been reclassified now.

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Re: munge/munged
« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2011, 01:55:29 PM »
Munge is a lovely sounding word - so lovely that it's accumulated several meanings. Even before the computer age it had a few, fairly rare, usages: to wipe someone's nose; to eat greedily and noisily; and to mutter, grumble or mope.

Now, FOLDOC, the Free On-Line Dictionary of Computing, defines it as either "A derogatory term meaning to imperfectly transform information", or "A comprehensive rewrite of a routine, data structure or the whole program". Wiktionary gives it three meanings:

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1.    (transitive, computing) To transform data in an undefined or unexplained manner.

        Few hackers simultaneously munge their programming language and the application written in it.

2.    (transitive, computing) To add a spamblock to (an email address).

3.    (transitive, genealogy) To erroneously combine information about two different real people into a single record.

        It looks like this record is munged—it has this person's birth date, but his father's death date


To add to the confusion, there is a word mung sometimes used in computing circles, with related meanings: "To make changes to a file, especially large-scale and irrevocable changes" and "To destroy, usually accidentally, occasionally maliciously" (FOLDOC). So, when we see the inflected forms munged and munging, they could be derived from either mung or munge. Wikipedia tells us that mung can stand for "Mash Until No Good", while munge can mean "Modify Until Not Guessed Easily". (These acronyms were invented after the words were already in use, so they are "backronyms".)

We already allow mung, possibly for its meaning of a type of bean.

I agree with you, TRex. Munge and its inflections ought to be allowed. The word is not present in many dictionaries, and seems to be very seldom used outside specialist works, but its use in those texts is frequent enough to warrant it being accepted as a rare word.
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Re: munge/munged
« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2011, 10:58:55 PM »

To add to the confusion, there is a word mung sometimes used in computing circles, with related meanings:

Back in the old-timey days, when I thought programming a mainframe with 100K of memory was the height of luxury, I was told that mung meant "machine dung." 
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« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2011, 11:20:16 PM »
So do all those Facebook changes yesterday and today count as munge?

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« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2011, 11:42:38 PM »
So do all those Facebook changes yesterday and today count as munge?

LOL -- it will be interesting to see if they respond to their users (who seem to almost unanimously hate the changes) or go the way of Netflix!

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« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2011, 11:56:41 PM »
Have you seen all the posts on FB on how to get around the changes?  I have one friend who has informed her "friends" that she's dropping the account - and trying out Google+.  Wonder how many people will do this?