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Word Suggestions: 10/28
« on: October 29, 2010, 12:24:58 AM »
busser
"Busser, busboy or busgirl are terms used in the United States of someone that works in the restaurant and catering industry clearing dirty dishes, taking the dirty dishes to the dishwasher, setting tables, and otherwise assisting the waiting staff (waiter/waitress)."
-Wikipedia

"To publicize the case, the three cooks, a hostess and a busser marched between the still-vacant Inner Harbor restaurant space and the U.S. District Court along with other low-wage restaurant workers associated with United Workers, an advocacy group."
-The Daily Record

"Mascia actually had friends among Redeye Grill bussers and runners.  A Bangladeshi busser with whom she discussed the news of the world was the first person to suggest that she apply to journalism school.  Yet she had no idea about the level of mistreatment they suffered until ROC-NY helped her recognize it. Bussers, for example, are part of the tip pool.  If managers were taking some of the tips, bussers as well as servers lost money. But this had never occurred to Jennifer Mascia when she wrote her first letter to her co-workers. She didn't send that letter to anybody working in the back of the house."
-The Accidental American: Immigration and Citizenship in the Age of Globalization

glub
"The sound of underwater bubbles, or of water bubbling (often used repetitively)"

Quotations2004 David L Roper - Son Of A Sharecropper: Growing Up in Oklahoma
The boat, which was filled with water, instantly—glub, glub—sank.

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/glub

"As I listened I thought I heard a sort of half-liquid bubbling noise - 'glub... glub...glub...' - which had an odd suggestion of inarticulate, unintelligible word and syllable divisions. I called 'Who is it?' But the only answer was 'glub..glub...glub-glub.'"
-H.P. Lovecraft

"The Post's Thomas Boswell once dubbed Nos. 10 and 11, "Glub Glub Corner" because of the standing water. No tournament was more cursed by water than the Kemper Open. But flooding should be a thing of the past now that Rock Run has been rehabilitated and 12 acres of wetlands have been added to catch overflows."
-The Washington Post
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Re: Word Suggestions: 10/28
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2010, 06:38:09 AM »
busser
Gosh, when I see that my first thought would be a bus driver. My second thought would be one that kisses.

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Re: Word Suggestions: 10/28
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2010, 12:30:57 PM »
"bus" is a verb too, when it means clearing the table, so it would also have all the usual regular verb forms.

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« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2010, 04:00:26 PM »
We already allow bussed, busses and bussing, which could relate to buss, meaning to kiss, or as alternate spellings of inflections of bus, meaning to transport by bus.

Busser is in the MacMillan Dictionary and Wiktionary, as a gender-neutral word for busboy/girl, that is, someone employed to clear away in a restaurant. (All of these terms are largely confined to North America, I think.)

The earliest example I could find of the word used in this sense was in a list of occupations in a 1975 book titled Forecasting the future food service world of work, vol. III, in Google Book Search.

The word has also been used occasionally for one who kisses. Life magazine in 1957 ran a photographic feature under the heading "The Kissingest Communist", showing Ho Chi Minh embracing various people during a visit to Poland. The accompanying text labeld him a "busy busser". (Also courtesy of Google Book Search.)

The restaurant sense of busser seems to be used fairly often, even though most dictionaries haven't caught up with it, so I think it ought to be allowed in future.

I'll respond to glub later.
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« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2010, 02:33:28 PM »
I said I'd respond to the suggestion of glub, and by Jove, I will! (Although I very nearly forgot all about it, anonsi.)

A string of letters intended to represent a sound can, I think, be regarded as a word if it becomes a conventional usage. This seems to be true of glub, as I feel it is used to represent a certain class of bubbling liquid sounds more often than any other expression, apart from glug, which is already allowed in Chihuahua.

Glub is in Wiktionary, with the definition quoted in the original post, and in the Century Dictionary, cited by Wordnik.com. It doesn't seem to be in any of the Oxford dictionaries bar the very biggest - the OED itself, which has a quote from 1794! The OED's definition is a little more non-committal: "An inarticulate sound rendered by this spelling." By contrast, Ka-Boom! A Dictionary of Comic Book Words, Symbols & Onomatopoeia provides some quite specific definitions: "The sound made by a person blowing a bubble under water", and "Bubble sounds as those made when a head is held under water against its owner's will".

It is certainly used quite frequently in fiction to depict bubbling sounds, as can be seen by searching in Google Book Search. A rare example of a more figurative use is quoted by Wordnik: "Investors get handed a couple of hundred pages of unreadable glub and are told that it puts them on the same plane as market professionals and company insiders." Perhaps a better choice of word here might have been glop, "unappetizing food, esp. of a semiliquid consistency."

I think we ought to accept the word glub. Although there are occasional uses of glubbed and glubbing, I think glub is mainly used as an interjection, so I don't think we should allow those inflections.

But I was interested to note that the same sequence of letters crops up quite often in Google Book Search in a very different context. Scholarly works of philosophy and linguistics often use glub as a quintessentially meaningless utterance. "Take, for example, the nonsense syllable 'glub' - a meaningless notation," writes Mortimer Jerome Adler, in Some questions about language: a theory of human discourse and its objects. The author then goes on to discuss what would need to happen for glub to become the name of fire. Other examples of highbrow usage of glub: "This fact about the foreign speakers determines that if 'glub' is a word for identity then 'gavagai' is a word for rabbits..." (Truth and the Absence of Fact) "Glubs (that is, glub things) are no sooner recognized as such than treated with reverence and awe in situ, or solemnly removed to the Great Cache of Glubs in the central temple." (Anti-realism and Logic) "The ur-stuff of the physical world, which I shall nickname the 'glub', corresponds to the sensory flux." (Philosophical Foundations of Quantum Field Theory) "if we introduced a new word, 'glub', to abbreviate 'true and not red'... " (Reflections on meaning) "Imagine that we are given the following definition of the expression 'glub': For every animal x, (a1) x is a glub if, and only if, x is not a mouse, and (a2) x is a glub if, and only if, x is a mouse." (Bertrand Russell Memorial Volume). And so on, and so on.

In the world of these thinkers, it seems, glub has become a conventional example of something that has no conventional significance; that is not a word. Does this undermine its case? No, I think it just discredits these scholars, who present themselves as founts of wisdom, but are strangers to the OED and the comic books alike.

Although it's quite irrelevant to the issue, the word reminded me of another comic strip association: the butler Glub in the Colonel Pewter strip that Arthur Horner drew in the 1950s and 1960s. Glub had been a stone age man, preserved in ice until thawed out by Colonel Pewter, so I suppose his name came from Paleolithic times. Some years later, Glub became a member of the House of Commons, in circumstances that have slipped my mind.
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Re: Word Suggestions: 10/28
« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2010, 04:44:48 AM »
Thanks for all of your hard work and dedication in responding to these requests, Alan.  I especially liked this part of your response, as it caused me to chuckle. :)

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In the world of these thinkers, it seems, glub has become a conventional example of something that has no conventional significance; that is not a word. Does this undermine its case? No, I think it just discredits these scholars, who present themselves as founts of wisdom, but are strangers to the OED and the comic books alike.

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Re: Word Suggestions: 10/28
« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2010, 04:25:51 AM »
Me too, Anonsi.  One problem with scholars is that they tend to be very knowledgeable in a narrow field, but not know much about the rest of the world.  Specialists vs. generalists!

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« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2010, 04:31:32 AM »
One problem with scholars is that they tend to be very knowledgeable in a narrow field, but not know much about the rest of the world.  Specialists vs. generalists!
A very deep, but narrow rut -- it is difficult to get out of such.