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anonsi

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Demotions?
« on: December 28, 2008, 03:53:23 AM »
Ok, so I might be the only one on these, but there were a few words from Friday's challenge that I'm not sure fit the "common" category.

faro
tarn
tauten (taut and tauter are fine)
natter (this isn't a word used really in the States from my experience)

Thoughts?

birdy

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Re: Demotions?
« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2008, 03:15:27 PM »
I know all of these, Anonsi, not that I'd use any of them in conversation every day.

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Re: Demotions?
« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2008, 08:21:23 PM »

Tarn is a word I know well, but I think it might  only be used in the U.K.
Natter.....I'm really surprised that it isn't used in the USA......I thought it was worldwide!

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Re: Demotions?
« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2008, 12:04:30 AM »
As a natter of fact, it's not used here at all, kid!  >:D

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Re: Demotions?
« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2008, 09:04:36 AM »
Natter is quite common in Australia and I think possibly the UK as well.

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Re: Demotions?
« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2008, 10:04:07 AM »
I am well-acquainted with natter. Anonsi is just too young to remember the "nattering nabobs of negativism" who led to the downfall of our erstwhile Vice President, Spiro Agnew.

I know tarn mostly from crossword puzzles, though I think the word made an appearance in Lord of the Rings (the books, not the films).

Tauten might be more British in usage. I had to learn it after missing it in Chi. 

faro is more of a European card game, I think, though I have certainly heard of it. I must admit it took me a couple of misses in Chi before I remembered to add it to my repertoire.
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Re: Demotions?
« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2008, 02:14:18 PM »
And by extension, Threeb, that makes you a mere yout', also!  Oh dear, what does that say about me, since I do remember the quote.

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Re: Demotions?
« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2008, 09:12:53 PM »
We natter all the time over here usually when we are out walking by a tarn, tautening our flabby muscles and then we come home to play a game of faro!!  I lied about the faro bit but the other words are very common here!  >:D

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« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2008, 11:30:21 PM »
No, no yout' here, and when r-m cited the quote, I do remember it, sadly.

However, I just don't think it's commonly used -- that just happened to be one prominent usage, but as far as I can tell, it's not in the everyday lexicon of folk.

LL -- you clever little  >:D!

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Re: Demotions?
« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2009, 09:33:31 AM »
for what it's worth, I asked my well-read, American brother, and he knew all 4 of the words.

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Re: Demotions?
« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2009, 01:16:35 PM »
Anonsi, sorry I haven't responded to this post before now, but better late than never.

I think most of the words you mention are dubious as common words. And where there's any serious doubt about a word, it probably should be marked rare. The one exception is natter - I think this is widely enough used to justify retaining its common status.

A couple of recent examples from popular fiction by US authors:

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Well, I guess letting him natter on with his rah-rah pep talk made me feel better.
"Waterbot" by Ben Bova, Analog Science Fiction & Fact, June 2008

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The idiot attorney in the gray suit continued to natter on about something useless---the most beneficial way to structure a retirement portfolio or some such rot---but Sullivan Quinn had long since tuned it out.
Wolf at the Door, 2006, by Christine Warren

(Both these quotes courtesy of the Corpus of Contemporary American English.)

The other three words, though, will be dropped back to rare.

Of the card game faro, Wikipedia says:

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It enjoyed great popularity during the 18th century, particularly in England and France, and in the 19th Century in the United States, particularly in the Old West, where it was practiced by faro dealers such as Doc Holliday and Wyatt Earp. It has since fallen out of fashion and is practiced mostly by dedicated Old West enthusiasts and Civil War reenactors.

The word tarn does seem to be used more in England than the US, although it crops up from time to time in the Colorado-based Backpacker magazine. Still, I feel it's a fairly specialist word.

Tauten is a standard word, listed in all good dictionaries, but I found no uses at all in the 385 million word Corpus of Contemporary American English, so it seems it's not so common. It gets 10 hits in the British National Corpus, which is not a lot. Incidentally, tautening was the nine-letter word in the Standard puzzle on 19 April 2006, when only 18% of the players found it.
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