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General Category => Whatever => Topic started by: mkenuk on November 03, 2020, 06:21:36 PM
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Just get it right this time, please, USA.
We are all affected by what happens in your polling booths today.
:police:
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The thought of Trump being reelected is absolutely terrifying. I can't imagine that the next few days will pass without violence and bloodshed on the streets of America.
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I can't imagine that the next few days will pass without violence and bloodshed on the streets of America.
Why should the next few days be different to normal!
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All peaceful as I was walking around today here in Brooklyn, New York. I heard that the polling place a block or so from my home had no lines - I suspect because so many of us voted early or by mail-in ballots.
It will be a while before we know the results of the election, since so many people did vote by absentee (mail-in) ballot - there will be millions to count.
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Stay safe Birdy,and you too RM,we in victoria Australia have been through a pretty tuff lock down, but that's nothing compared to what you're all going through in the US,the virus and now the elections !I'm thinking of you all
lisa
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One of the best things about Chi is this forum and being able to reach out around the world. I really hope for peace and unity in America.
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Well said Jacki & i certainly echo those sentiments.
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By refusing to accept his (almost inevitable) defeat, Trump is destroying any credibility the rest of the world might have in the US electoral system and in US democracy generally.
The man is an utter disgrace.
Surely the moronic Steve Bannon is also facing charges for inciting violence?
'Home of the brave....' is rapidly becoming 'Home of the bully' in the eyes of the rest of us.
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Whole heartedly agree.
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Perhaps what's most worrying of all is that roughly 50% of those Americans who voted actually think that this narcissistic, misogynistic, racist, corrupt thug is a fit person to be president of the US.
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Indeed, a scary thought.
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Trump says he will leave America if he loses
Bi-den
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Race still too close to call. There are still a lot of uncounted votes out there.
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Perhaps what's most worrying of all is that roughly 50% of those Americans who voted actually think that this narcissistic, misogynistic, racist, corrupt thug is a fit person to be president of the US.
I'm afraid the cultural divide in the country is very, very deep and probably unbridgeable.
The 270 To Win (https://www.270towin.com/2020-election-results-live/) site has projected Biden to win Pennsylvania which would make him president-elect.
Another news site, Vox (https://www.vox.com/21551153/presidential-election-results-trump-biden) has announced Biden as the winner.
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Leave America? who would have him? Oh of course he will head to Scotland to play golf for all eternity. Previously I have been against breaking up the Union but if the great Nichola lets Trump in then I'll be first in the queue to vote for English independence.
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Christine, I am sure Boris, his great mate, could find a job for him. He did for our Tony Abbott.
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Holy moly. What a mess it is to witness our own place in the moral hierarchy at great distance from the deplorables. Even I -from my own lofty perch- observed myself classifying strangers by their demeanor into Buffoons/spiritually bankrupt morons or
Biden supporters (if only by default).
Someone on this highly educated forum must know who actually said be careful whom you choose for your enemies for you will become like them.
Lily’s field aka Paula aka bleeding heart liberal aka (finding it really hard to slap somewhat true stereotypes on myself) aka adoptee rights activist
Blah blah current U S citizen
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Friedrich Nietzsche
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Jack
I expect Boris will give him a government grant to set up a company supplying bleach products to the NHS.
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Dear Forumites:
Four years ago, I was trembling in horror at the result of the US Presidential election.
Today, I am relieved at the result.
However, an element of horror remains: this election was close, close, close, and that means there are millions of Americans who voted for our former president. What an ominous disgrace.
The Senate will most likely remain in Republican hands, which will make progress nearly impossible. Robert (my better half) and I spent hours and hours and hundreds of dollars working to 'flip the Senate' back into Democratic hands. Some success occurred, but, unless there's a miracle in Georgia, we're still stuck with Mitch McConnell running the show there.
I hear you, Chi-folk all over the world: what happens here affects everyone on every continent. Trust me: we'll keep working for a saner country that can engage internationally in a way that can help us feel like citizens of the world again.
Wish us good fortune, we'll need it!
and the very best wishes to you all,
nineoaks
(Petra)
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It's a great result but there's no chance of Trump going peacefully into the night. It's probably bad news for us, but wonderful to think that Johnson is probably crapping himself at the thought of losing his buddy. And egg on the face of the revolting Nigel Farage who adores Trump and was confident that he'd get a second term. Schadenfreude.
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The right result indeed, and good luck to the new President and V-P.
As Pat said in an earlier post, the fact that more than 70 million were persuaded to vote for another four years of trumpery shows just how divided the US really is.
I wish the Biden/Harris partnership well, but I fear that without control of the Senate and the Supreme Court their hands will be tied.
Most especially they will be unable to do very much to solve the biggest problem facing the US today, that of gun-control.
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I understand some of the comments above and see that the last four years of US politics has been somewhat crazy. However, one cannot lay the all the blame at Trump's feet. From Day One, the establishment was out to get a man that did not fit the political narrative. They came at him with lies (he himself was also guilty of those) and collusion, and a determination to undo the Choice of the American people. One could argue he invited such assault by his words to "drain the swamp". I do not find it difficult to believe that such a swamp does exist in the highest echelons of politics. The reason I wanted to Trump to win was quite simply that I did not wish to see the destructive social engineering of the far left of American politics, engineering that will affect much of the rest of the western world and possibly beyond, such is the influence and reach of American society, politics and philosophy. Trump was true to what he said he would do; he restored the economy, he lifted employment across the social divide, he stood for traditional family values and, perhaps most importantly, he stood for the rights of the unborn human being. I am concerned that too much of the radical far left has the ear of President-elect Biden (he, too, is a flawed character as recent revelations have shown) which will hold too much influence on his policies. Whoever had won the presidency, America is a divided nation and in a perilous position going forward and we all can potentially be deeply and negatively affected by it. It seems it was fun to hate and lampoon him and too easy to thump Trump and echo the pop-voice of a largely uninformed crowd.
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There really is little/ no hope for a country which is so clearly polarised.
That covers USA & unfortunately UK.
How about the rest of the world where chihuahuans live?
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he stood for traditional family values and, perhaps most importantly, he stood for the rights of the unborn human being.
On the first issue, I judge a man by his actions and not his words, particularly if he is a blatant obsessive liar, and I can't believe even Trump's most ardent follower can believe he is a paragon of family values.
The second issue has been discussed extensively before in this forum and I have nothing to add, except to point out it is a contentious issue.
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From Day One, the establishment was out to get a man that did not fit the political narrative. They came at him with......a determination to undo the Choice of the American people.
Was he 'the choice of the American people', though?
In 2016, Hillary Clinton polled three million more votes than Trump.
Following the 2016 EU Exit referendum, 'Brexiters' never tired of telling us that the result - a simple majority in favour of UK leaving the EU - represented 'the will of the people'. If the 2016 US election had been decided by a simple majority of votes cast, Trump would never have got to within a mile of the front door of the White House.
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Like a chastised child, Trump is currently either isolated on the golf course or holed up in the White House with little to say, leaving it all up to his lawyers.
My concern is that when he finally accepts that he has lost, what sort of petulant retribution or mischief will he get up to.
My limited understanding is that he remains the President until Biden is inaugurated in the middle of January.
So that gives Trump another 2 months to cause all sorts of strife as i'm sure that he will not want to go quietly.
P.S.
Can the President give himself a Presidential pardon from any prosecutions? >:D
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This came to me in an email with the caption One small step for man, one giant step for humanity..
I am a bit ashamed to be passing it on but it is difficult not to experience Schadenfreude (https://www.dropbox.com/s/q78eg7fsah1k68a/Trump%20%28002%29.jpg?dl=0)
Thanks for reminding me of the word, Pat
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Can the President give himself a Presidential pardon from any prosecutions?
I don't know if he can pardon himself or not, but I've seen it suggested that he could resign, making Mike Pence president until Biden is inaugurated, then Pence could pardon him.
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far left of American politics,
From my view the "far left of American politics" would be fairly right wing in Western Europe. And the US doesn't seem to worry about the school children massacred by gun-toting loonies.
Family values. Third wife, porn star mistress.
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That's a scary thought Pat.
As usual, i was really only joking at the ridiculous notion that an incumbent president could actually give himself a pardon for any offences committed during his term.
Hopefully he will take one giant step to the moon & stay there because there is already talk that he will take another run at the next election & given that he has only lost this one by a few million votes then that is an even scarier thought.
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I was wrong saying Trump always lied (https://www.dropbox.com/s/zhxp4uq0yv7453y/TRUMP%20TELLING%20THE%20TRUTH.png?dl=0)
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I was wrong saying Trump always lied (https://www.dropbox.com/s/zhxp4uq0yv7453y/TRUMP%20TELLING%20THE%20TRUTH.png?dl=0)
I did some fact-checking on Snopes.com (https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/1998-trump-people-quote/) which labels this false.
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Oh Damn, another good story ruined by the facts :-[
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This says it all
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUFxAbXQ0s0
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And to think that this monster, or one of his equally monstrous offspring, is likely to be back in four years' time to have another go at sowing discord and running the country for the benefit of the Trump family. That's assuming the whole lot of them don't end up in prison where they belong.
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Pat, such hatred rots the soul. We need to be responsible for our own actions, thoughts and opinions and not be too ready to demonise and condemn others.
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Thanks, Tom, but I wouldn't change a word of what I wrote. Trump has spent the last four years earning the right to be condemned and demonized. I think more than a few people would agree with me.
All I'll add is that he has no grounds for complaint regarding the election result. He urged voters to vote to make America great again and that's exactly what they did.
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Pat, such hatred rots the soul. We need to be responsible for our own actions, thoughts and opinions and not be too ready to demonise and condemn others.
Three thoughts:
[1] There is a difference between hatred and justified criticism. I'll back Pat in for justified criticism.
[2] The man who refuses to judge, who neither agrees nor disagrees, who declares that there are no absolutes and believes that he escapes responsibility, is the man responsible for all the blood that is now spilled in the world.― Ayn Rand
[3] The precept: “Judge not, that ye be not judged” . . . is an abdication of moral responsibility: it is a moral blank check one gives to others in exchange for a moral blank check one expects for oneself. There is no escape from the fact that men have to make choices; so long as men have to make choices, there is no escape from moral values; so long as moral values are at stake, no moral neutrality is possible. To abstain from condemning a torturer, is to become an accessory to the torture and murder of his victims.― Ayn Rand
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I would not cite Ayn Rand as an authority on morality and decency. Far from it.
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Trump was true to what he said he would do; he restored the economy, he lifted employment across the social divide [remainder cut]
I'm not going to address but this one claim.
The non-partisan Economic Policy Institute released a study in August: Trump's trade policies have cost thousands of U.S. manufacturing jobs (https://www.epi.org/press/trumps-trade-policies-have-cost-thousands-of-u-s-manufacturing-jobs-action-is-urgently-needed-to-rebuild-the-manufacturing-sector-after-the-coronavirus-pandemic/)
Farmers are in far worse shape than they were four years ago.
Here's a CNBC article: Wisconsin Foxconn plant hailed by Trump hasn’t hired enough people to get tax credits (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/13/wisconsin-foxconn-plant-hailed-by-trump-hasnt-hired-enough-people-to-get-tax-credits.html)
There are plenty more stories like this. Trump is a master salesman — of snake oil.
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Doesn't the American Elections remind you of Georg Orwell's Animal Farm?
Just wondering ???
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And, of course, Pat you have the right to hold your opinion. I would defend that right. My comment was intended in a careful and caring sense about what hatred of another human being can do to us when we allow space in our hearts for such hatred.
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I would not cite Ayn Rand as an authority on morality and decency. Far from it.
Many moons ago, back when dinosaurs ruled the world, my rugby coach gave me a precept to live by, "Son, play the ball and not the man".
I had not heard of Alisa Zinovyevna Rosenbaum until I went looking for someone more articulate than me to express the concepts I had in mind. I liked and agreed with the quotes.
Apparently I picked a wrong'un. What have you got against her, TRex?
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Apparently I picked a wrong'un. What have you got against her, TRex?
She promoted as good things like greed, selfishness (one of her books was titled The Virtue of Selfishness), and egoism. That would be enough for most people. I also find her unacceptable because she was an extreme materialistic rationalist.
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My congratulations must go out to anyone who has actually managed to read one of her books.
I tried reading Atlas Shrugged, her 'masterpiece', many years ago and struggled to get beyond page 30. In the end I gave it up as unreadable.
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My congratulations must go out to anyone who has actually managed to read one of her books.
I tried reading Atlas Shrugged, her 'masterpiece', many years ago and struggled to get beyond page 30. In the end I gave it up as unreadable.
I struggled to read The Virtue of Selfishness many years ago. I probably made it through 100 pages, but finally deemed it unreadable and not worth the effort.
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I dated a guy (oh, so many years ago) who worshipped Ayn Rand. So, I read Atlas Shrugged. It saved me a lot of time following a doomed relationship. What an overblown apology for compassion-free living!