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General Category => The Daily Quest => Topic started by: Calilasseia on January 10, 2018, 09:19:57 PM

Title: Today's Puzzles (January 10th 2018)
Post by: Calilasseia on January 10, 2018, 09:19:57 PM
Am I the only one here thinking that the Standard and Challenge Puzzles today should be vice versa?  ;D
Title: Re: Today's Puzzles (January 10th 2018)
Post by: anona on January 10, 2018, 11:30:56 PM
Not for me. I'm doing better on the Standard (common words & good, better etc) and struggling more with the Challenge.
Title: Re: Today's Puzzles (January 10th 2018)
Post by: mkenuk on January 10, 2018, 11:51:00 PM
I think the minimum 'common words' target for a Challenge game is 40 or 42, so today's Standard, tricky though it is, has to remain a Standard.
Title: Re: Today's Puzzles (January 10th 2018)
Post by: Calilasseia on January 11, 2018, 02:18:19 PM
Interesting ... only I did much better on the Challenge puzzle than the Standard one ...
Title: Re: Today's Puzzles (January 10th 2018)
Post by: mkenuk on January 12, 2018, 11:55:06 AM
Am I the only one here thinking that the Standard and Challenge Puzzles today should be vice versa?  ;D


If you had asked that about today's (12th January) games, I'd be inclined to agree with you!

 ;D ;D
Title: Re: Today's Puzzles (January 10th 2018)
Post by: anona on January 12, 2018, 09:23:13 PM
Quite often I am the only numpty out of the 20 names on the bit of the scoreboard I can see at a time who has not got the 9-letter word. I don't feel so stupid today, with others also not finding it as easily as they usually do. I wonder what it is?

(Please no-one take offence. Obviously I don't mean to imply anyone who doesn't get the word is a numpty, just that when I am the only one out of a consecutive group of 20 ... )
Title: Re: Today's Puzzles (January 10th 2018)
Post by: mkenuk on January 12, 2018, 10:26:13 PM
Without giving anything away.....

At the moment - almost halfway through the game - it has been played by slightly less than 40% of players. I think that says a lot.

Even hobgoblin, which threw a lot of players the other day, was played by 68%. Inserting, a couple of days ago. was seen by 86%.
Title: Re: Today's Puzzles (January 10th 2018)
Post by: cmh on January 12, 2018, 11:05:12 PM
My biggest weakness is finding the big word too and I certainly call myself a numpty when all around me is a sea of achievers!
Title: Re: Today's Puzzles (January 10th 2018)
Post by: Ozzyjack on January 12, 2018, 11:20:05 PM
Quite often I am the only numpty

Thank you, Anona.  You have taught me a new word. I havenít come across numpty before even though I find on looking it up it is Scotlandís favorite word.

If you press ďfull screenĒ, you should get more than 20 but Iím not sure whether this would make the situation better or worse.

Cheers from another Numpty.
Title: Re: Today's Puzzles (January 10th 2018)
Post by: Tom44 on January 13, 2018, 11:50:59 AM
Was Humpty Dumpty a numpty for sitting on that wall?   ???  Never heard the word before.
Title: Re: Today's Puzzles (January 10th 2018)
Post by: Alan W on January 14, 2018, 11:56:16 AM
Without giving anything away.....

At the moment - almost halfway through the game - it has been played by slightly less than 40% of players. I think that says a lot.

Even hobgoblin, which threw a lot of players the other day, was played by 68%. Inserting, a couple of days ago. was seen by 86%.

The word in question, spelunker, was eventually found by 245 out of 616 players, just under 40%, as it was when MK commented. There were only 4 common words found by fewer players, which is unusual for the 9-letter word. I was expecting that when the puzzle closed someone would query whether this is a suitable 9-letter seed word. A few years ago potholing was changed from common to rare (https://theforum.lexigame.com/index.php/topic,2406.msg46020.html#msg46020) on the grounds that it is a mainly British word for caving - or spelunking. Currently spelunking is rare as are all other related words other than spelunker. The word has been the niner in a couple of previous daily puzzles, without any comment that I can see.

I'm inclined to think spelunker is rare. Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Today's Puzzles (January 10th 2018)
Post by: yelnats on January 14, 2018, 12:39:19 PM
While I got it fairly quickly (it wasn't my first which I aim for) I wouldn't have thought it common especially while spelunk is rare. I also had to check the spelling as it was so long since I have seen it.
Title: Re: Today's Puzzles (January 10th 2018)
Post by: anona on January 14, 2018, 01:16:13 PM
It won't surprise you, Alan, that I can't remember ever having met the word before.
Title: Re: Today's Puzzles (January 10th 2018)
Post by: gromit on January 14, 2018, 01:55:52 PM
I got spelunk and, as it was rare, decided that spelunker couldn't be the nine letter word. Eventually I tried it on the off chance because I couldn't see any other possible nine letter word. Whether it is common or rare, I think that all the spelunk words should be the same.

I've heard of spelunking from a Calvin and Hobbes cartoon. Not use if this meets the "reasonably well-read English-speaking person" criteria in the Q&A (https://chi.lexigame.com/answers.html#common (https://chi.lexigame.com/answers.html#common)).
Title: Re: Today's Puzzles (January 10th 2018)
Post by: Greynomad on January 14, 2018, 03:15:14 PM
My comment would only be that I was aware of the word, without using it commonly, and would prefer to make potholing common, rather than spelunker rare. I would more frequently use and find potholing and the like than spelunker and the like.

40% does seem to be a reasonable hit rate to retain as common, even if people only found it by chance.

As always though, happy with whatever the you and the majority decide.
Title: Re: Today's Puzzles (January 10th 2018)
Post by: Les303 on January 14, 2018, 03:19:45 PM
I didn't notice any exclusion for Les303, so here are my thoughts ;

I was really keen to ask 3 different questions after I saw the solution to this particularly challenging & most enjoyable, albeit, frustrating puzzle.

#1... I was another of the players that could not find spelunker however when I viewed the solution & checked the definition, the word was immediately familiar to me but I had no idea why.
My only thought was that I may have been recalling it from a previous game, you've already answered that question, so thanks for that, Alan.
I would be backing myself to find this word if it ever comes up again so, its classification, for me at least, is no longer really relevant. (having said that & even though the word is now familiar to me & by now to many more players who read the forum, I feel that the word should never have been on the common list but then we can jump on the merry go round argument, is it now familiar enough to chi players to remain common?)
I am certain that it would have been a known word for yelnats ( forever running around caves, playing with his little bats) I just wonder how many of the other 244 found it purely because of its previous appearances in chi games?

#2 ... Peke (short for Peking dog ) was the other common word that I failed to find & I would like to challenge its classification.

#3 ... I probably should have stopped at #2 although you may get a laugh out of this.
Please keep in mind that I had spent an extraordinary amount of time on this game trying to find the last couple of common words & in particular the nine letter word.
In this situation the beer goggles are firmly in place by now so as I run out options i start thinking about giving up before one last effort which involves a lot of shuffling & guessing & the submitting of any combination of letters that seem remotely like an actual word.
This was how I managed to find persue.
How on earth had I managed to miss such a simple word, hang on a minute, its coming up as rare, a quick look at the definition ( obsolete spelling for pursue ) , they are spelt exactly the same?

There are only a few minutes to go before the game closes & as soon as it does close, I quickly view the solution & immediately begin my post, I have to let Alan know about this major anomaly that I have come across with the word persue.
I am only a couple of lines into the post, when i spell pursue correctly & begin to realise what a stupid mistake i have made, i go back to the game, double check the definition & immediately delete the post.
As i give my half empty stubby, the stare & the frown, i think to myself, thank goodness i picked that up before i actually submitted the post, nobody will ever know...oops.


Title: Re: Today's Puzzles (January 10th 2018)
Post by: Les303 on January 14, 2018, 05:29:39 PM
Similarly, sangfroid from yesterday's challenge game was only found by 128 out of 387 players.
There were just 6 other common words that were found by fewer players.
Title: Re: Today's Puzzles (January 10th 2018)
Post by: TRex on January 15, 2018, 07:52:34 AM
I think potholing is quite rare in N. America. I think spelunking is far more common, but a bit formal and, perhaps, old-fashioned. I think the more common term today is caving.
Title: Re: Today's Puzzles (January 10th 2018)
Post by: Ozzyjack on January 15, 2018, 08:25:13 AM

I'm inclined to think spelunker is rare. Any thoughts?

Alan, generally speaking I would prefer that comparatives, superlatives and other common variations of the root word be classified the same but I agree with your statement in another topic that in many cases there are good reasons why this is not necessarily so.

I got spelunker and had not seen it before in Chihuahua although I can't remember why I knew it - probably from some television program.  I am ambivalent about which way the spelunk***s are classified but in line with the general principle would prefer they are classified the same.
Title: Re: Today's Puzzles (January 10th 2018)
Post by: mkenuk on January 15, 2018, 12:11:04 PM
The COD has spelunking as its headword, and spelunker as a derivative.
It makes no mention of spelunk.
It also shows the word to be N. American, although of course, with the spread of 'American English', such things do change.

In the potholing discussion that Alan gives a link to, I mentioned that I first came across the word spelunking in the film Batman Begins. In a scene in that film between Bruce Wayne and Alfred his Butler, Batman (Wayne) says that he wants to 'go spelunking'.
They use the American term of course as the film was aimed at international audiences, even though the two actors in the scene (Christian Bale and Michael Caine) were British!
Title: Re: Today's Puzzles (January 10th 2018)
Post by: mkenuk on January 20, 2018, 06:37:17 PM
Am I the only one here thinking that the Standard and Challenge Puzzles today should be vice versa?  ;D


Your original comment, Calilasseia referred to the games of January 10 - federally (Challenge) and hobgoblin (Standard).

I think it applies even more so to today's games!
Title: Re: Today's Puzzles (January 10th 2018)
Post by: auntiemo on January 20, 2018, 09:44:54 PM
I have to agree...I have NEVER heard of today's standard puzzle COMMON word...absolutely fluked it...shuffle, trial and error.
Title: Re: Today's Puzzles (January 10th 2018)
Post by: yelnats on January 20, 2018, 11:18:31 PM
I haven't got it despite shuffling...



23 hour update. I just got it but have never heard it before.
Title: Re: Today's Puzzles (January 10th 2018)
Post by: anona on January 21, 2018, 01:12:15 AM
I'm not being dicky opposite, but I found the Standard one OK once I put my mind to it and I didn't think it an unusual word. However, the Challenge 9 letter eluded me until I had only 4 commons left to find.
Title: Re: Today's Puzzles (January 10th 2018)
Post by: Calilasseia on January 25, 2018, 12:36:34 PM
The one place I can remember seeing the word "spelunker" (which the predictive text feature on my tablet threw up as a word suggestion before I finished typing, to my surprise!), is in the original "Colossal Cave" text adventure game that did the rounds on old PDP-11 minicomputers running UNIX in the 1970s & early 1980s. In one of the caves, you can find copies of "Spelunker Today" magazine.😀